Once a year or so, in any rural area of Virginia you will have some stories in the local papers about sightings of cougars. Every time, DGIF and any other government agencies act as though the witness is claiming to have been kidnapped by aliens. The responses are so knee-jerk as to invite doubt over the legitimacy of DGIF's denials of the existence of cougars in Virginia.
Officially, the eastern subspecies of cougar was completely wiped out over 100 years ago, with the exception of a remnant population in the Florida Everglades. Even that remnant population is no longer genetically distinct, as critically low numbers eventually prompted conservationists to introduce western cougars into the population in order to prevent inbreeding.
For most of the last century, sightings of cougars in the eastern states were scarce. But in the last 20 years, reported encounters with the cats have increased. This has been particularly true in Pennsylvania, Virginia and North Carolina.
There are 2 questions that need to be asked. First, how are the cougars back? Second, why are government agencies in denial?
It is my belief that the animals being so frequently spotted are not, unfortunately, the product of a remnant population of eastern cougars. They are cougars - just not of that critically endangered (or arguably extinct) eastern subspecies.
The idea of this being a remnant population seems far-fetched in the sense that so much time elapsed with few sightings. It is true that big, stealthy cats like mountain lions or leopards can live practically right on top of humans without their noticing it. Peter Capstick wrote of a pair of leopards living in a soccer stadium right in the middle of Johannesburg for months undetected; the duration of their stay being made clear by the later discovery of their lair and the accompanying array of rotting debris from past meals. But rural areas in America are filled each year with experienced hunters who spend a lot of time tracking animals and paying very, very close attention to what is in the woods. We also have professional foresters, rangers and field biologists out in our national forests and parks every day doing work that would have prompted regular encounters.
Those kinds of encounters with experienced outdoors people and wildlife professionals have been happening in recent decades. But for a long time they weren't, and if populations were so very low for, say, 50 years that nobody was even seeing cougars, then it's hard to believe that genetic diversity could have been sufficient for the population to ever rebound.
No, I don't think that what we are looking at now is a remnant population of cougars. I think that it is a growing, breeding population that originated from escaped exotic pets.
Quick; tell me where the nearest tiger is? Hint: probably not the zoo. There are about 10,000 captive tigers in the United States, according to most of the expert estimates I have seen. Most of these are being kept as exotic pets or on 'tiger farms' that produce hides and other tiger parts (these are hybrids of tiger subspecies, 'generic tigers,' thus dodging status as endangered animals). That's just tigers. Lions, leopards, cerval cats, etc. have their own surprising counts. Pet cougars are far more common than tigers or other really big cats. According to the Florida Panther Society, there are about 1,000 pet cougars in Florida alone.
For a real eye-opener, take a look at some of the websites out there about cougars as pets. Asking a few friends here in town, I've found out about at least 2 people in my county who keep pet cougars. I guarantee you that there are plenty more than that.
Just like with regular house cats, sometimes a pet cougar is going to escape. It's common enough to have prompted a few articles online on how to find your escaped big cat if it gets out. The thing with many of the people who keep these animals is that one is often not enough. The one cougar gets lonely and bored during the day, so they get another one. Maybe more. If a door is left ajar, you could very easily have a breeding pair heading for the hills.
Now my purpose here is not to pass judgment on people who keep exotic pets. My point is just that keeping cougars as pets has become so very common that the idea of there not being a breeding population of mountain lions in the eastern United States is kind of ridiculous. Of course there are wild cougars in Virginia. How could there not be? Even if 2 cougars escape 50 miles apart from each other, odds aren't bad that they'll eventually meet and breed. Under normal circumstances cougars have extremely large home ranges and run into potential mates or enemies by stumbling across old scent marks and following them up for days.
What little genetic evidence we have seems to bear out the exotic pet trade origins of cougars in the eastern states. Genetic tests were conducted on a cougar cub that was hit by a car in Kentucky. It was found to be of mixed South American and western descent. A classic exotic pet trade hybrid. There is simply no way that a South American cougar could have mated with a cougar from the American west without human intervention. The fact that it was a cub without a collar also suggests that the escaped animals are in fact breeding in the wild.
Without getting much closer and more intimate with a wild cougar than anyone in their right mind would, it's impossible to look at the animal and say what subspecies it is a member of. Most people would look at a western cougar, an Everglades cougar and a South American cougar without having any idea of what the difference is supposed to be. Indeed, the validity of even labeling these different groups as sub-species per se is still debated among taxonomists. So for all practical purposes, it doesn't really matter where the cougars came from. They will all look and behave the same way, given a particular environment and variety of prey.
This brings us to the second question that I posed earlier, which was why government agencies deny that these thousands of sightings have taken place. In large part, it's the fact that the eastern cougar is still on the federal endangered species list. If DGIF (or any other state's wildlife agency) officially agrees that there are eastern cougars running around, then suddenly they have a whole host of obligations. Conservation groups would descend on them, demanding efforts to nurture and protect this animal and it's habitat. They'd have to pay for studies and find the funds and the strategy for protecting the habitat. Private land owners might suddenly face development restrictions on what they can do with their own land.
Meanwhile, there'd be a whole other backlash from people concerned about the eventual consequences of living with a very large predator that can and does eat human beings on occasion. One group of hunters would be asking to hunt them right away while another group would be asking that they be protected and nurtured in order to produce a large enough population to hunt in small numbers indefinitely.
In a nutshell, officially admitting that there are wild cougars in Virginia invites a political mess that none of these people really wants to deal with. Can you really blame them? So in response to sighting after sighting and article after article, DGIF and other agencies give the same old 'swamp gas and weather balloons' routine, as if we were talking about unicorns or velociraptors hiding out in the Blue Ridge Mountains.
Their potential 'out' when some hunter finally shoots one and forces the issue into everyone's lap is the fact that, as I have explained here, odds are that these are not in fact eastern cougars at all but rather exotic pet trade hybrids. Hybrids which have no official status in wildlife regulations and are not considered endangered animals.
At that point, DGIF will almost certainly attempt to calm everyone down by pointing out that these are the product of escaped pets. This is what other states have done in the same situation. That takes care of the legal protection issue, but as for the rest it changes nothing. In terms of either safety or a desire to restore the old ecology of Virginia with a large, top level carnivorous cat, who the heck cares what subspecies it is? The worst part is that people usually swallow this kind of crap. And certainly DGIF will say that we have no reason to think that the escaped animals are breeding, so they don't really count, etc. But you'd have to be a complete idiot to think that there is any reason why these cats wouldn't be doing what comes naturally and breeding in the wild.
Many of these pet cougars are not spayed or neutered. Not only because the potential cubs are worth money down the road, but it's got to be hard to find a vet who is willing to deal with an animal like this. A lot of big cat owners are rather secretive about the fact that they have these animals and some of them are keeping them illegally. DIY spaying is not something that pet owners are willing to get into. So yes, most of these escaped animals are probably capable of breeding.
Ask a bunch of your friends if they've ever seen a mountain lion. If you live outside of Northern Virginia, odds are that you'll find a few friends who have seen one. My next door neighbor saw one feeding on some roadkill down the street from us. Another friend from high school tells me he saw one near Crozet when it ran across the road as he was driving. All of us have seen bobcats in the wild and we know the difference.
Sooner or later, the reality that we are living side by side with large, dangerous predators is going to be forced on to us. Someone will be attacked or killed, or a cougar will be shot by a hunter. Deer populations continue to climb, providing plenty of food for this population to expand with. The issue can only be ignored for but so long. Virginia would do well to face up to what we have on our hands, decide exactly what kind of relationship we want with these animals, and implement policy to make that happen.
Tuesday, April 08, 2008
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Huh. That's interesting. As a native of the West Coast I'd always assumed the cats were surviving better than we realized. Mountain lions live in some pretty surprising places in California, and yet no one ever sees them. You hear about them only very rarely when they wander in during a drought to find water or food and end up mauling some poor jogger. Most of the time though they're living in closer proximity to humans than anyone would care to admit, but they're very good at avoiding contact.
So the notion that we're simply not as good at noticing the predators in our midst isn't totally outlandish to me. But the genetic study that shows some genes from South America is a very, very interesting wrinkle!
Anonymous,
You are dead-on about the proximity issue. I've heard of studies involving cougars being fitted with tracking collars and their travels were plotted on a map. Frequently, the cougars were dozing through most of the day while lying in heavy cover within 20 feet of well-used hiking trails! Yet actual sightings along those trails were either infrequent or unheard of.
When I vistited Grandfather Mountain in North Carolina, the educational video that they played (which was probably from the seventies), showed a captive bred Eastern Cougar. That led me to wonder whether any of their current cougars still have eastern genes, and if any facility or zoo maintains pure eastern cougars. If so, then restoration of the "extinct" subspecies may actually still be possible. Unfortunately, the resident zoologist wasn't there when we visited so I wasn't able to ask them about it.
There are a few places in the East big enough and wild enough that there may still be eastern cougars. The great Smokey Mountains in NC, is such a place. Likewise, there is a small possibility that some may have survived in West Virginia. As you say though, it is not in the interest of the wildlife officials to admit to a breeding population since they are still listed. It would affect eveything from coal mining to timber sales, and cost money in terms of designating critical habitat and establishing a recovery plan. As long as the species is "extinct" the feds don't need to lift a finger, but if Eastern Cougars are real then they might even be liable to a lawsuit for covering it up.
Real or not, I agree that a restoration effort is worthwhile in the wilder, more remote places. Of course, whether we do or don't, I suspect we'll be colonized by Western Cougars we move futher west every day, encouraged by the over-abundance of deer.
Speaking of restoration though, I've began to wonder how much influence localities can have? For example, if Albemarle decided that we wanted porcupines or another extirpated mammal back, then could we get DGIF to reintroduce them? I wonder if any locality has ever tried?
about a week ago on a early saturday morning, i saw what looked like a mountain lion or a maybe a cougar in my backyard. my dog was carrying on and i looked out my window and saw a creature casually walking across my yard. i went to the back door and cut on the porch light thinking it maybe a deer. first of all, when my dog was bouncing off his pen, a deer would have been gone. this big animal just walked right under mt security light like it had not a care in the world. i stepped on the back porch to get a better look. it stopped and looked right at me. that is when i saw the long tail and a cat face.
it concerned me enough because i have a horse in my pasture. this could take him down easily.
i mentioned it to my neighbor. he said some of his coworker were talking about seeing something pretty much what i saw.
i live in henrico, va in the varina area. there is lots of woods with plenty of wildlife to support a big cat with no one the wiser. anyone else seen a sighting like mine? send me a email at mfancylady1@yahoo.com
I saw it and don't care who believes. Monday Oct. 13th 2008 about 6 PM. It came from a thicket and I observed it for about 3 seconds at 80 yards. It appeared to be black and was the size of a large dog, maybe 90 pounds. The large cat was lurking across my ridge and I was in a climbing tree stand. Skeptical? Not anymore. I know what I saw. Highland County Virginia.
I live in Bon Air, Virginia which is in east Chesterfield County. Over the last two weeks we have had sightings of LIONS (not bobcats) off of Robious Road in about 5 or 6 different places. Either the lions travel quickly or there are more than one of them! My theory is that they are following the railroad tracks (pull up a map and you'll see what I mean)....easy access, mostly deserted, lots of wildlife and water!! Near where I live are 100 foot high cliffs and huge boulders and a creek about 10-12 feet wide--mountain lion heaven:) Watch the news as reports are coming in every single day including this afternoon (backtracked).
Sorry, forgot to leave the date...November 12, 2008
I recently saw a mountain lion south of Winston-Salem, NC under a street light for several minutes before it walked off and I am 100% certain of what I saw. Also saw last weekend a cat paw print in Franklin, NC (Macon County) that was far larger than any bobcat. I am really perplexed by government agencies' denial that they exist in the Eastern US. I don't think it would cause the mass histeria that the existence of aliens might cause so there must be some other reason. I am glad we have these spectacular animals still in existance regardless of whether they are genetically wild or escaped/released pets.
I live in Midlothian, VA and we have had sightings in our neighborhood (Queensmill). I have been reading the comments of others leaving on the same side of town, and there is a lot of space, not to mention people, roads, and shopping centers between Robious and where I live. So, it's hard to say one cat could move from the Robious area all the way to Queensmill. However, there have been spottings in Salisburym which is half-way between Queensmill and the Robious area, so I guess it makes sense that one could get from Robious to Queensmill.
Also, I found our pet Cat dead last spring. At least I found his carcus. We have a creek running though the back yard and his body was in it. We never found out what happened to him. He was perfectly healthly too. I am wondering if he was attacked.
One last thing. A few weeks ago, my wife and I heard a loud animal scream in the backyard. The next morning, the brush behind our fence was all mashed down like something was back there. We have a semi-wooded area in the backyard, along with the creek, so it's totally possible there could have been a cat back there.
sorry, the current date is 12/30/2008
This is very interesting to me. I have seen two this year. One in Virginia and one in Florida. I saw the one in Florida today, that is what got me researching. The one I saw in Virginia was approximately 5 miles outside of Eagle Rock, Virginia. I am an outdoorsman, and I know what I saw. It was not a bear, dog,or a big house cat. It was a mountain lion, and it was dark in color.
Today, in Florida, as we were driving past the Tallahassee Regional Airport, I happened to look to the left, and crossing through a power line cut through was a decent size dark colored "Florida Panther". So I know that they are out there. I think it is awesome, and I wouldn't want them to be hunted until there is sustainable population.
1/29/2009
I spend a lot lot time hiking in Shenandoah national park. On many winter hikes in the past month I have seen what is clearly mountain Lion scat. It is different than other animals such as bear, and it was full of deer fur. Other signs included deer bones with teeth marks. The park rangers say there are cougars in the park, although there are no photographs yet. One ranger reported a half eaten deer carcass 20 feet up a tree. only one animal is capable of dragging a deer up a tree, and its not a black bear.
Free Union, Va.
Our friend's neighbor hunting deer on his property.
Dragging his deer back to the house.
Left the deer and his gun at the edge of the woods about 200 yards from the house.
Returned to the deer, hours later and it was mangled.
He mounted a camera over the deer carcass.
Next day. The camera caught 3 moutain lions devouring the remains of the deer.
I thought that these big cats were solitary?
Must have been the female and 2 juveniles?
I live in southwest Virginia, and I have heard numerous accounts of mountain lions in my area. I find it ironic that some of the ones seen had tracking collars on them. There is a place in the Dickenson, area where there are numerous sightings and you can hear them if you roll down your car window while driving at night. I believe that these cougars are exotic pets, but I strongly feel the Virginia department of game is reintroducing them into the mountainous areas of Virginia.
The Pineaccle in Russell county is a state preserve, no hunting allowed, there is now stories of one around that area. One day my friend and I went fishing there and something followed us all the way on the trail on our trip down and back. We never got to see what it was but I believe it was one, we could hear something walking and it stopped when we stopped. I feel the Virginia department of game should just tell us the truth! 2/11/09
a few months ago I was standing on my back porch, and about 40 yards away was a big cat. It was grayish/brown in color and was just sitting on the gravel driveway staring into a field where deer graze. It noticed me, walked back up in the woods and came back 2 minutes later. I hung a piece of raw beef in a tree the next night and waited with a flashlight. It fell down the hillside, and scrambled back up the bank. That was the last I saw it. I called several game departments and contacts and everyone of them denied that it was a mountain lion and said it was a bobcat. I live in Boones Mill, and 50 yards away from heavily driven Rt. 220. It's incredible that we have these animals around here. I go hiking, looking for that cat all the time.
if the dgif are not stocking mt.lions back in virginia then why are there reports of state game vehicles out with radio tracking device's where farmers are losing livestock? it is all about covering their own behind's.if someone's child get's mauled or killed ny one and the state has brought them back then they are liable..i have a friend that asked a biologist in the dgif if they are bringing them here and releasing them and he and i quote..I CANNOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION. you figure it out..i have seen 4 right around my home in southwest va and i know they are here..i don't care what dgif or anyone says.i know the difference bewtween a bobcat and a mt.lion..we are not that nieve..
something has been slowy getting my neighbors guineas and the last one got on top of his shop in the back of his property and the large cat was jumping up over 15 feet to get on roof and then would slide off late one night. the next day the last guinea was gone we have very large cat tracks is this a mountian lion is it safe outside will they attack humans
I live in Haymarket, VA. I have seen two Cougars since 2005. One off of Pageland Road, south of Rt. 29 and then a Black Mtn. Lion or cougar on the dirt road in front of Ticonderoga farms.
I used to work for the Census Bureau and I was assigned and worked a large area in Virginia, basically Prince William County north, city of Richmond south west to the state line and down to Augusta County, about 10-12 counties depending what I was assigned at the time.
In Sept 2007 I was in Western Page County in a rural area and saw a large cat and cub maybe 50 feet from me. I was on a dirt road near Honeyville Road about 30 yards from a creek or stream. I had just got back to my Jeep when I heard a noise and saw them. It saw me but did nothing but shield its cub and run away. I am convinced it was a mountain lion. Maybe 10 minutes after, while at a mom and pop gas station, I asked if they were in the area and the guy said there had been a number of sightings before mine. It could have been someone who released a pet into the wild, but I did not think so. It did not behave like a cat that had once been caged up. In my later times while working for the Bureau I was in that area I never saw it again. Someone a good time later did tell me there had been a guy who used to work for some small circus that lived in Western Va I think near Newport near Short Horse Mountain in Page County or right over in the Shenandoah or Rockingham County line that at one point had 2 or 3 caged up but I do not know that for sure.
Cismont, Va 3/20/09 12:30pm Eyesight 20/20. I saw two cougars cubs in the middle of #600 about 1/2 mile from #231. Stopped the truck, at the top of the hill; observed them as they played with each. I drove down the hill slowly, and they moved up the hillside and disappeared. No doubt, they are in the area with quite a few horses and dogs. Bummer.
My husband and I were taking the "long" way home Sunday evening to our home ,in Rockbridge co. to look for wildlife as we always do. Deer are heavily abundant here We took a road that is more secluded and usually good for a lot of deer at that time of evening, about 6:30 or so. We had gone approx a mile or two on a gravel road, off another back road. There is a small vacant brick ranch on the hillside across a creek, which runs under the road. The driveway to it splits off from the one to the brick house and cuts up and toward the right of it up a hill through some cedar and pine thickets by an old shed and disappears into thick trees,and my husband slammed on the brakes and said what was that sitting on that road over there. I turned to look while he backed up and immediately knew it was a big cat. Instantly I said oh my gosh it's a cougar, and he said no it can't be, but it's too big to be a bobcat and it is not sitting like a dog. I got out of the truck and knew immediately that it was indeed a cougar! It was sitting with it's back to us and the long graceful flow of it's body and small head told the tale of the absolute truth that it was definatly a cougar. My husband sat there staring in disbelief until the cat stood up and started walking along the road with it's big round tail that reached the ground behind it and then curled upward , the length of it's body,with the end of it blending into black. The cougar was the color of tree bark, or like the color deer are this time of year, sort of grayish and dark. There was NO mistake as to what it was, and it surprisingly let us watch it for a good 25 minutes, constantly stopping and sitting and staring at something in the woods to the left of it. It kept turning and looking at me and I made noises and walked back and forth a few feet from the truck door and it watched me intently. It would walk a few yards up the road and stop and look back at me, so we turned around and decided to drive up that road, but as soon as the truck turned off the road onto that road, it disappeared. That area is very isolated and heavily stocked with deer in that area. I am not going to notify anyone near here about this as I am a wildlife artist and lover and I would never do anything that might launch a hunting party of these "people" down here who would love to kill a big cat.
2 TAME bear that had been hand fed all it's life at Natural Bridge zoo got loose last year or so because a keeper left the cage open, and they shot and killed them both. One was pictured in the local paper hanging upside down in a tree like a big trophy. I was sickened. I can imagine what they would do to this cat. The road we saw it on was dirt and we had to follow it up into the woods until we could turn around and we saw a wood sided house up on the hill on that road before we turned around. Surely these people have seen this cat also as it is their driveway. The cat was not afraid of us to stop and watch it at 150 yds. so I am almost tempted to think it might be tame, but it did run when we turned off the main dirt road and onto the road it was on. I will never forget it as long as I live and from now on the camera and binoculars go with me when we go. 3/30/2009
I was wondering in anybody has ever senn a mountain lion in Grayson Highlands National Park. I visited the park several years ago during a snowstorm. I hiked up the mountain for aboutu as half of a mile when I can across a big cat slowly walking back and forth across the trail about 100 yards in front of me. What I saw could have easily been a bobcat because of poor visibility, but I also speculated a mountain lion because of the long tail that looked to be at least three feet long on its own. I called the rangers the next day and they simply denied the existence of any mountain lions in Virginia. Just wondering if anybody has seen anything out of the ordinary in the Mt. Rogers area of Virginia.
Hi everyone - I live in Rappahannock County in VA, and am curious about the mountain lion sightings. A friend of mine said she saw one in her driveway...she lives in Sperryville. How large are the lions? Does anyone think they may be a threat to horses? Our horse farm is not in the mountains, but in a valley. We don't have any foals due this year, but certainly will next year. I may need to worry then?
I hunt on 55 acres in Page County Virginia. My daughter described seeing a large brown cat with a long droupy tail. I have found several deer kills and on easter sunday 2009 i witnessed a deer being chased by a mountain lion. Another land owner in the area has also reported sightings. A cow after giving birth to a calf was attacked both survived. The vet that examined the cow vertified a mountain lion was the only logical explanation.
I live in Isle of Wight County in southeast Va, the southernmost portion of the county. There have been several sightings of big cats in my area in the last 2 years. I was searching the web, looking for info on this subject because a close friend recently lost his black lab to "something" that jumped into the dogs kennel and attacked it leaving it dead, looking like someone had taken a butcher knife to it. I have heard that possibly VDGIF has released several in an attempt to help control the deer population, good luck on getting them to admit to it. I am 99% convinced the big cats are here.
a few years ago i had chickens in a pen. the next morning the cage was busted and there were chicken carcasses everywhere! a few were dragged way far awa in the woods, and i found a track of the animal. It was a big cat's paw... I ws too stupid to think of a cougar, but recently ive been reading on them and have realized this was probably a mountain lion!
We certainly have mountain lions in NW North Carolina (Mitchell County.) A friend lost four alpacas to an attack. Of course the park service tried to blame dogs, but we know better.
5/6/09 -- Yesterday I passed a dead mountain lion on the side of 64 going west between the Hadensville and the Orange exits. This is west of Richmond and before Charlottesville. It had obviously been struck on the road. It was large and freshly dead (like within a day or so). Should I report this? and if so to whom? I'm hardly the only person who would have seen it, but I've noticed nothing in the news in Richmond about it.
I live in Lake Ridge Va. While walking home last night I saw the outline of a cat running to my right, up a hill. Just as we came around a turn in the woods. I was with my 8 year old son. I didn't say a word to him. I didn't know about any sighting until seeing this page.
Panthers in the South Mountains NC.
Rutherford & Mcdowell county. I work in several developements. Between 2005-2007 a dozen sightings , a female with cubs.Then a forest fire pushed it out.
This past week , in Mcdowell county, another developement , land owner came on one leaving scat in the road, sure enough I found it (quite large scat)
Definately a cougar in Franklin Co. VA -- reading the earlier post I see that a cougar/lion was spotted in Boones Mill. I live in Penhook, just across the county, and today my mother asked me to pull up a photo of one because she had never seen them. The photo matched her sighting. Also when my husband and I were dating, we went four-wheeling in Endicott -- an area between Ferrum and Floyd, and saw one. he told me that there was a mountain lion that lived in the old well house (he lived in an old farm house), and i never believed him. I hcanged my mind when we were a few yards away from one! I know a bob cat, and I know a dog -- this is neither!
We have a tree farm in rural S. Fauquier County,Goldvein VA, near Deep Run Creek, 2 mi E of Rt 17.
we are building on the property now, and last week(May 28th,2009) the County Building inspector told me a big black cat ran across in front of his vehicle chasing something.
We know there have been bobcats on another section, as far back as the 1980's and 1990's, the forestor confirming their droppings. We have more and more deer along a very small stream (run off), about 1,000 ft 'down' from the house site.
Today (5/31/09), a friend, (country born and bred) called to say as he left , about 4:10 in the afternoon, a dark brown Mt Lion, about 80#, he says maybe 2 yrs old, not fully grown- jumped in front of his car about 1/2 mile from our gate on Rt 752. He said it made two leaps and was gone -into the woods- also another of our parcels.
ironically, we are developing an Art, Nature and Wildlife education center, but never expected this. We are 'environmentalists' I am an 'ole eagle scout', but we are NOT hunters. As senior citizens, often alone, and moving between buildings at night- we are now very concerned.
What do we do if we open a door, and see a 'big cat' , or worse- if we are 'unlocking the gate, or between buildings (100 feet distance) and these mountain lions 'appear'?
Saw one in Campbell County, Virginia a few months back. Not sure of the exact date, but it was towards the end of September of 2008.
I was pulling into the county dump late in the evening, about 10:00 pm. I saw what at first I thought was just a big dog, a black lab, which I've seen frequently before, since it's owner lives right across the road from there. But as I got closer it started to jog down towards the wooded area, had a kind of bounce to it and I saw that it had a long rounded tail and pointed ears. I thought to myself, that's no dog, but I still wasn't sure of what I was seeing. So I backed up like I normally would to drop the trash off, put it in park and watched it jog the rest of the way down. It then turned around, sat down and looked at me. That's when I realized it was a cat, a big one. It stared at the car for a minute or two, I stared back, then it disappeared into the woods. I'm not 100% sure on the color, it looked black to me but it could have been a dark gray color, it was night time after all.
The only odd thing to me about it is the area I saw the cat in. It's not in the mountains and while there is quite a lot of wooded area, it's nothing like a lot of the northern parts of the state where you would expect them to be.
I had heard about an incident today from a man that found one of his horses mauled to death on his property in Bedford County. He is almost 100% sure it was a mountain lion and it reminded me of what I had seen awhile back which led me to search on big cats in Virginia.
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one that has seen a large cat in the state. I always figured they were still around. I just wish we'd get 100% confirmation on it. I'd rather not have to wait until someone is attacked by one. Especially a small child.
I just got back from hiking the Bluff Trail off of the Skyline Drive this morning (between Front Royal entrance and 211). I was hiking when I heard a noise almost like a bird squaking in the distance. I realized the noise was getting closer and closer over about a minutes time. I then saw the large brown animal and thought, huh, a deer. Not until it crossed the trail right in front of me (with cub following) did I realize that it was not a deer but a mountain lion. Wish I would have had time to get the camera out, but I too busy trying to clean up the mess I made.
I agree with you 100%, I live in King William Va, and next door in New Kent there have been numerous sightings over the past two years and some in King and Queen, King William and the upper parts of Richmond in residential areas. this scares me because I am a father of four small children and we stay out on the property hunting or camping or fishing in the river. In the Daily Press an article appeared about a man who claims he caught a picture of one on a game cam, here is the link http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/dp-local_cougar_0603jun03,0,6078888.story I guess the DGIF will find away to deny this, who knows? I just remember my father-n-law telling me 10 years before this article came out as a warning to watch out for one in the woods where we hunted in Isle of Wight because he was approached by one 30 years ago and when he told me that I believed him because he convinced me of how scared he was and I now see this in the paper, I wish they would call in people who are experts and who dont have and agenda or assets to protect if you know what I mean, then at least people will know the dangers of being alone in the woods of virginia or how to protect yourself from an attack. most of my friends say they will just walk with their dog but from my research that is the worst thing you could do, they cougar would be more prone to attack the dog and eat it?? what are your thoughts??
Il ive in Botetourt Va,And I was dreiving to my g/f's house the other day,and I live near a landfill/cement plant(hince lots of food and romping area to the neighboring North Mtn.)And no doubt 'I saw a Mtn Lion' I know the diffrence between a big cat,bobcat,and mtn lion...no doubt what i saw..He(she) stopped after crossing the road to give me a glance to verify it was a mtn lion,cam h...
My wife and I were driving the Blue Ridge parkway north of Harrisonburg in the early 80's and a mountain lion casually strolled across the road in front of us (less that 25 yards). Absolutely no doubt in either of our minds what it was.
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