Wednesday, March 26, 2008

CNN Completely Misrepresents Firearms Technology. Again.

I don't often even look at CNN's website any more, on account of it being essentially a tabliod these days. However, this story about .50 BMG rifles being smuggled into Mexico came to my attention and I had to see what sort of nonsense they were peddling.

"One of the 'guns of choice' is a .50-caliber rifle that can fire a slug through both a car door and bulletproof vest from 100 yards away."

CNN characterizes the .50 as something uniquely able to kill police officers because of it's ability to punch through both a car door and a bullet proof vest. However, this is actually nothing special. Every high-powered rifle cartridge is capable of doing this with a standard infantry bullet having a full metal jacket. Every single deer rifle in the United States is capable of doing this.

Want proof? The fine gentlemen over at the Box O' Truth have shot everything imaginable with every type of weapon imaginable and provided pictures for our amusement. Here we can see them shooting an old Buick through the doors with all manner of rifles, weak and strong. Every single bullet goes through the first door and most of them pass out through the other side as well.

As for the bullet proof vests, let me tell you a dirty little secret about the vests worn by police officers; they are only designed to stop low-power pistol rounds. 9mm, .22 LR, that sort of thing. Every single deer rifle in America will punch straight through a police officer's vest.

Want proof? Ok. Let's see what happens when you shoot a 'bullet proof vest' with a standard round of 7.62x39, which is a notoriously weak cartridge having ballistics that are probably about the minimum you would consider hunting deer with. Again, the guys at the Box O' Truth oblige us with the research and photos. In these photos, they are shooting the clay material that is used inside of Level IIIA body armor.

Obviously .50 rifles and ammunition are not the special boogeyman that CNN would like to make out. With regard to the applications that CNN cites, the .50 is no more dangerous than every deer rifle in the world.

It's also fun how CNN points out the following:

"One recent seizure in a Yuma, Arizona, storage locker yielded 42 weapons and hundreds of rounds of .50-caliber bullets already belted to be fed into a machine gun-style weapon."

Heavens! These cartridges are on belts! Through the lack of explanation, the reader is clearly intended to be left with the impression that some type of machine gun is being smuggled into Mexico from the US. When in fact there are no machine guns being manufactured or sold in the United States and such weapons are certainly not being provided to Mexican criminals from the US. The fact that those cartridges are on belts is actually going to be more of a pain than anything else. A lot of military surplus ammunition comes pre-loaded onto those belts, but weapons available to civilians do not use the belts. So each cartridge is going to have to be pulled off of the belt, which will then be discarded.

This bit is an absolute joke:

"Officer Cesar Quitana patrols a dangerous barrio in Juarez, Mexico. He is armed with an M16 assault rifle -- a weapon that would be no match in a gunfight with drug lords."

That makes no sense at all. The AKs coming through the US into Mexico are all actually fake, neutered Kalashnikovs. AK parts that have been assembled onto an after market, semi-auto-only receiver. The ballistics of the AK's 7.62x39 cartridge are no more deadly than that of the .223 Remington cartridges fired by this cop's M16, but the M16 has a major edge in the sense that can fire as a full automatic.

But what about Officer Quitana going up against criminals armed with .50 rifles? All of the .50 BMG rifles in the US that I am aware of are bolt-actions, including the seized Barrett that was used in the demonstration cited. I don't care what cartridge it's chambered for; guys with bolt-action rifles in a prolonged firefight against guys with automatic assault rifles are going to lose. There's a reason why the Springfield is no longer our standard issue battle rifle, even though 30-'06 is obviously more powerful than either .308 or .223. Only a gross mismatch of skill in using firearms would account for a guy with a bolt-action beating out a guy with a full auto.

The .50 BMG's primary application is as a long-range target round. Smaller bullets lack sufficient mass to stay in the air as long and on such a straight course (I am over-simplifying the physics with that in order to avoid boring you). It is favored by snipers and by serious, long-range competitive target shooters. The rifles are also extremely heavy. Over 40 pounds. It's absolutely not what you would ever want to bring to a gunfight. So long as Officer Quitana can hit the broad side of a barn, he is very well equipped to defeat any enemies armed with either .50 rifles or AK variants.

Of course, you can't possibly expect intelligent or informed coverage of firearms issues by any reporter who so badly bungles the very terminology right from the start. The shiny brass thing that you put in a rifle to load it is called a 'cartridge.' The bullet is just one small part of that cartridge. Anyone who refers to a cartridge as a bullet has no idea what he is talking about. These writers, Drew Griffin and John Murgatroyd, are completely out of their depth. It's as if someone was in the habit of calling their computer a 'monitor.' You certainly wouldn't trust a word that they wrote about computer tech issues. The same thing is true here.

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

"All of the .50 BMG rifles in the US that I am aware of are bolt-actions, including the seized Barrett that was used in the demonstration cited."

how about the Barrett M82A1 that was in the accompanying video? that's not an NFA weapon, is it?

Gringo_Malo said...

CNN has no interest in firearms technology. CNN knows that it need not describe firearms technology accurately because few members of its audience know anything about firearms. CNN wants to ban firearms, so it claims that more restrictions on our side of the border will help to stabilize Mexico. That's the really absurd part.

Anonymous said...

60 minutes and CNN don't tell you a .50 cal bullet cost $10.00, Thus eliminating the average guy from owning one.

Jack Landers said...

anonymous 2:22,

Excellent point. When I wrote this entry, CNN's video was not working properly so I was working from their text. I'd forgotten that the M82 even existed, on account of it costing something like $7,000 and not even appearing in my wholesale catalogs.

However, Wikipedia's entry on the M82 sums up the potential significance of the Barrett in a firefight against police officers nicely:

"The Barrett is used in war by the US sparingly. The rifle is used first and foremost as an EOD/anti-material rifle, being too large and unwieldy to use effectively in a live firefight, even in a support role."

It weighs over 30 pounds unloaded. With ammo and accessories, it's just way too unwieldy to take to a real gunfight. It certainly has it's applications but to say that the Mexican police are 'out-gunned' still does not make sense.

Personally, I think that semi-auto sniper rifles are an abomination. You want accuracy, go with a bolt action. The M82 only gets about 1.5 MOA, which is why it's restricted to a hard-target role in taking out communications trailers and that sort of thing. 1.5 MOA means that you'll usually miss a human-sized target at the kind of ranges that one gets a sniper rifle for in the first place. Maybe it would work if the cop stood still and did nothing for a few minutes while the bad guy kept trying?

joelscoon said...

The M82A1 is mostly used to stop cars and trucks. I simply was not developed with the intent to be used against live targets.

It would be effective against live targets but its weight and limited availability limit its usefulness in that area of combat.

It would however be very useful to terrorists as it can take down just about any civilian aircraft at extreme ranges. That, I believe, is a real concern.

Jack Landers said...

Joelscoon,

I've shot enough clays with shotguns to have come to the conclusion that the idea of shooting down an airplane out of the sky with a rifle would be absolutely impossible. Sure, the bullet is capable of punching a big, nasty hole through the plane. But you'd never be able to get that bullet anywhere near an airplane moving at well over a hundred miles an hour at some large distance from you.

Seriously, if you doubt this then spend an afternoon at a skeet range. By how much distance do you lead a 747 at cruising speed? Even with the best of optics, the most you could hope for would be maybe hitting the plane with a bullet somewhere. The odds of magically hitting just the right spot on a fuel tank and making it blow up or otherwise fall out of the sky are so low as to be disregarded.

The only way to take out an airplane with a rifle would be while the plane was on the ground. Which would be a very bad thing, but not something of strategic importance. The purpose of 9/11 wasn't destroying airplanes. It was using airplanes as guided missiles to destroy the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

It would hardly be worth al Queda compromising a clandestine agent for the purpose of placing a hole through an airplane's engine and probably resulting in little more than some missed flights and the need for a new engine. A whole arm of the organization would be rolled up and tossed into Gitmo with absolutely nothing of substance to show for it. Would that our enemy was that reckless.

The fact that it's been almost 7 years since 9/11 and no planes or other targets have been thus destroyed despite .50 BMG rifles being readily available to those with the cash suggests that the .50 BMG is not the terrorism boogeyman that some have made it out to be.

joelscoon said...

6 or 7 hundred yards past the end of a runway. The plane is coming towards you. You don't have to lead it. Just wait till the nose comes up and start blasting the cockpit.Either pilot or essential avionics will be damaged. Instant crash. Of course you will probably be right in the path of some serious shit.

And not necessarily a plane. How about a helicopter. Think about it. I know that with some data I could hit a car moving across my field of vision if I had it ranged out properly. Probably out to 700 yards or so. All you need to do is hit in the engine comparatment. And with the semi auto capability....

I am not advocating anything like restricting .50's. In fact I dont think it would do any good. You are right that it is not a big boogeyman. But if one wanted to get the job done. the .50 semi-auto would definitely be the thing for the job for the price.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TWJp14tkBlU&feature=related

Anonymous said...

I'd like to weigh in on this shooting planes down issue. It is enormously difficult to do this. The pressure hulls that are located at the ends of commercial aircraft are extremely tough. From head on, it would take one very lucky shot to take out the pilot, and then you have the co-pilot and engineer to get as well.

All systems are redundant, so while you may kill some subsystem, as long as one person in that cockpit is alive, the plane can be landed.

If it were this easy to knock planes out of the sky, armies wouldn't develop the AA systems they develop. The B52 has roughly the same speed and flight profile of a commercial airplane. It takes fighters, SAMS, and 88mm or larger cannons to bring these down.

In Iraq, there have been MISSILES fired at commercial aircraft on takeoff at close range that have failed to bring them down. It is simply not possible and thinking that it is steals energy from real threats. Aircraft will never be used by terrorists again. They can't hijack them and exploding them doesn't scare people like it once did. 9/11 changed everything.

Best,
Paul

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