Thursday, May 24, 2007

What's the Deal with AK-47s in America?

Recently I have gotten involved in discussions with a few people about the AK-47 and it's derivatives and whether or not this weapon in the United States is something that is especially dangerous or useful and whether it would be 'unsporting' to use an AK as a hunting rifle. In this process it has been clear to me that 99% of the people who feel compelled to write something about the AK know absolutely nothing about it. Even those who do look it up on the Wikipedia or something don't understand the distinctions between those available in the US and those seen abroad. And certainly they tend to know too little about firearms generally to put any of the information in a useful context.

The primary thing to understand is that every single AK-47 (or derivative) legally in private hands in the US is not a real AK. Sure, it looks like the AKs you see in the hands of foreign armies. But importing or manufacturing fully automatic weapons for civilians has been essentially illegal in the US since the 1930's. Well before the AK was even invented.

These so-called AKs are actually a bunch of AK parts which have been assembled on a semi-automatic receiver. The barrel, trigger, stock and other small parts. The most basic definition of an assault rifle is an intermediate caliber rifle capable of selective fire. Which is to say that it can be fired as a full auto. These things are not capable of doing that. The AKs on the American market don't fire any faster than most hunting rifles. And in fact the cartridge fired by a standard AK (the 7.62x39) is the ballistic equal of the weakest rifle cartridge typically used for deer (30-30).

Your run-of-the-mill 30-06 semi-automatic hunting rifle is more powerful and is a more potent weapon than the American AKs.

Let's look at the other characteristics of these surplus military AKs in the US. They can mount bayonets. So? It's not like you can't cross the street without being mugged at bayonet point. I must be missing the stories in the news where armed gangs are charging each other with bayonets. In practical terms, they don't appear to be a public danger. AKs often have pistol grips. Well, that's just good ergonomics for a lot of people. I don't see how good ergonomics are a public hazard. And then they can accept high-capacity magazines. So can any semi with detachable magazines. You can get 5 round magazines for the AK as well. The magazine is a detachable thing. Not a permanant part of the rifle. It's like being mad at the Honda Civic because you saw one with a retarded-looking aftermarket spoiler on the back.

Here is the attraction of the American AK. It is a very, very dependable rifle. You can throw it in a safe or in your trunk for a couple of years and knock it around some and forget to clean it and it will go bang when you need it to. This isn't true of most firearms. The tolerances between parts are very loose such that mud or grit can get in there but not interfere with function. The AK is the Jeep Wrangler of the rifle world. You can take it anywhere and put it through the worst kind of abuse and it won't let you down.

Regarding the common assertation that there would not be much sport involved in hunting with an AK, I really don't think that people have thought this through. As only a semi-auto it's not as if one could spray the deer or other prey with dozens of bullets. Whether you hunt with a semi-auto or a lever action or whatever, the issue is shot placement. Not rate of fire. Placing, say, 2 bullets in the heart/lungs region of the deer (a target about 8 inches across) takes just as long with a semi as it does with a bolt action or a lever gun. Most of the job there is getting your aim right and remembering exactly what part of the animal to aim at. Cycling the action only takes a split second.

High magazine capacity would be no advantage at all. I have enough deer hunting that I can tell you that if you have not brought the deer down with the first one or two shots then there is no way that any more will do the trick as the deer will be long gone.

If anything, hunting with an AK would offer a bit of a unique challenge because it's accuracy beyond a couple hundred yards leaves something to be desired and the cartridge that it fires is on the weaker side, similarly restricting the useful range. You could successfully hunt deer with it (and people certainly have) but you would have to restrict your shots to within 100 yards or maybe as far as 150. This would necessitate getting closer to the animal before shooting, meaning that you will test your abilities to 'work the wind', stalk silently and patiently or perhaps develop some skill in calling the animal closer by mimicking the bleat of a doe in heat or the grunt of a buck.

In summary, the AKs that are encountered in the US are tough, hardy tools which are less deadly than most civilian hunting rifles and are certainly less precise tools. But they have their applications. In the tool box of my truck I keep some tools in the event of a break-down. Not my best tools because they are getting wet sometimes and getting knocked around and generally beat up. But anything I keep in there has to work in an emergency after I have pretty well ignored it and failed to clean or oil it for months. Such is the AK. For someone who lives in a rural area with a lot of bears or coyotes or where odds of hitting a deer on any given night are pretty good (and thus needing to finish it off), an AK in the trunk is not such an absurd thing.

11 comments:

vmijpp said...

GOOD ONE. Too much sense in here to ignore, unless your senseless. Those who don't understand these things, can't be bothered to learn. I'd be happy to ignore them were they not able to turn foolishness into legislation.

vmijpp said...

(Sorry, that's "you're," not "your." Uggh.

Jack Landers said...

Vmijpp,

What I have noticed over the last few years is that most people don't understand these things because nobody is making an effort to explain it to them in a straight-forward, technical way without a lot of preaching or yelling. Where are they going to get it from? Ted Nugent, screaming about killin' and grillin'? Newspaper reporters who don't know the difference between a semi and an auto? We don't have much in the way of good educators and ambassadors reaching out to the general public.

You might notice that in most of my entries about firearms issues, I don't preach. Because there is really no need. Give people the basic, technical facts and strip away the urban myths and they will almost always reach the same conclusions that you and I do.

We have the views on firearms that we do because we have accurate information. A personal opposition to the more obnoxious and useless firearms laws and bans is the inevitable result of being properly informed. I guarantee you that at least 80% of the people, liberal or conservative, who read this blog entry having been previously gung-ho about banning AKs in the US, will walk away with their minds changed. This is why it is so much better to educate than to ignore.

vmijpp said...

Indeed! Shoot me an email when you get a chance... vmijpp at hotmail dot com...

Anonymous said...

I just read your article in the archives called "From Exotic to Trash & Vice-Versa" and I think you should try to write more entries about hunting and conservation. This stuff could easily be published in "Field and Stream" if you tried.

Johnny Camacho said...

The fact that I know nothing about guns is precisely why I don't write about them on my own blog.

This was a great post with all of the facts laid out clearly enough for even a "gun illiterate" person like myself to understand.

Thanks!

Dissident said...

Howdy from the West Coast. Just found your blog. Your post on AKs was nicely dispassionate. I think it would effectively persuade open-minded, intellectually honest people.

Just one quibble: You can actually get full-auto AKs in the US, and it hasn't been illegal to import them since the 1930s. It's been illegal to manufacture/import new MGs for civilian sale since the Reagan Gun Ban of 1986, but there were a number of full-auto AKs manufactured in the US before that. Here's one on Auto Weapons. $17,000 and it's yours to take home.

Jack Landers said...

Dissident,

I can get a fully automatic AK-47 about as easily as I could get, say, a giraffe. The cost is similar. Are there people out there in America with pet giraffes? Yes. I think Michael Jackson had one at his Neverland ranch. But they are so few and so expensive that they would hardly figure into a debate on leash laws.

The door on legal automatic AKs in the US has long since been closed for all practical purposes. You would have to look back a very long way in history to find a crime committed in the US with a legally owned automatic weapon. At $17,000 a pop you are not likely to see these things on the streets. Or anywhere outside of a safe or a special exhibition. They are so rare, so expensive and so difficult to get a hold of that it is unreasonable to involve them in a discussion on public policy regarding firearms.

Dissident said...

I can get a fully automatic AK-47 about as easily as I could get, say, a giraffe.

Perhaps. I've never priced giraffes, so I don't know. I would venture to guess, however, that there are a lot more legally owned full-auto rifles in private hands here in the US than there are giraffes. I consider that a good thing.

I understand that you're arguing against the conflation of semi-AKs and auto-AKs. Professional liar and anti-freedom activist Josh Sugarmann has explicitly acknowledged that gun prohibitionists intentionally conflate these two in order to dupe the public into supporting "assault weapon" bans:

"The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons--anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun--can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons."

I just wanted to point out that the following statement is not correct: "But importing or manufacturing fully automatic weapons for civilians has been essentially illegal in the US since the 1930's."

You're talking about the National Firearms Act of 1934, which only taxed and imposed registration requirements for MGs and other weapons---it did not prohibit their manufacture. The Reagan Gun Ban of 1986 put an outright ban on the manufacture of new MGs for civilians, which eventually resulted in super-inflated prices like that $17,000 AK I linked to. Until 1986 any law-abiding American could buy a reasonably priced, newly manufactured automatic rifle as long as they complied with the NFA. Reagan, the NRA, and the Democratic Party "fixed" that by passing a clearly unconstitutional law that created a false scarcity.

OK, I'm done splitting hairs. I didn't disagree with anything you said, but just wanted to point that one factual error out.

boomtownUSA said...

Just wanted to clarify a few things. I didn't read the other responses so this may be redundant. First, there is no such thing as a semi-auto receiver when speaking of an AK-47. They are all capable of firing full-auto if the (very few) correct parts are installed. If a person wants said parts, he/she IS going to ignore state and federal laws in order to install them. AK's are abundant and proliferous here (at least in ma neck 'o the wuds)in the U.S. They are the same deadly weapon that Mr. Kalashnikov invented in 1946. The reality is (I think), that a saavy gun owner would never hunt with an assault rifle. They would much rather use a longer range more accurate bolt action such as my Rem. model 700 30.06. I also own two romanian AK's and I can hit a 12 inch target with iron sights out to 300 yards. I would consider myself an average shooter. In short, most of the media doesn't know the difference between an M4 and an AK. On the other hand, yes, AK's are plentiful and much much better for a gunfight than a hunting rifle. I can empty a 30 rd mag on semi-auto faster than I can fire 5 bolt action rounds; and yes they are so very dependable. On a philosophical note; If a man's anger rises to the degree of willingness to murder, he will seek out whatever weapon he can obtain/afford whether it be a rock, bat, knife or gun, via the path of least resistance. Michael Ball Utah| Oh yeah, I don't think it would be "unsporting"... just a little weird.

boomtownUSA said...

Ok, now I have read.
Jack! just look around. I can get you all the necessary parts (full auto that is)for under $150.00 buying from the internet, and then have a $100.00 receiver shipped to my local gun store and voila!... you are in possession of a machine gun. (well, that's assuming one has the idiosyncrasies of the assembly down) it's far easier than getting a giraffe, I assure you. However; most of us wish to obey the law and stay out of jail/prison.
P.S. we don't need to look too far back in history to see illegal AK's in action. Remember the L.A. bank job that went sour? 2 guys decked out head to foot in bullet-proof suits toting full auto AK-47's. Yeah, the parts and kits are drying up fast since the ban on imported kits back in 2005. On the other hand, $13.00 gets you info (with drawings) to make your own. and there is not much to them. Just the facts as I see 'em. Michael

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